Planets X Y and Z

Some astronomers and astrologers, myself included, believe there may be at least three more major planetary bodies beyond Pluto which they commonly refer to as planets X, Y, and Z. Xena/Eris, discovered/announced in 2005 may indeed be planet X as NASA officially declared then retracted. Y and Z, further out, have yet to be discovered or disclosed.

There is a controversial personage on the internet by the name of Greenstone Lobo, a revolutionary Vedic astrologer, who claims to have identified planets X, Y, and Z by researching the thousands of unamed bodies on the official NASA minor planet website. He has narrowed his choices to three centaurs, namely 2007 RH283 as planet X and true ruler of Taurus, 1999 JV 127 as planet Y and true ruler of Virgo, and 2008 FC76 as planet Z and true ruler of Leo. He bases his conclusions on the study many charts of famous people, especially sports figures.

2007 RH283 is approximately 51 kilometers in size with a highly elliptical orbit of 63.79 yrs and encompassing the planets from Jupiter to Neptune. 1999 JV127 is somewhere between 22 and 50 kilometers in size with a highllly elliptical orbit of 68.45 years and encompassing the planets from Jupiter to Neptune. 2008 FC 76 is approximately 58 kilometers in size with a highly elliptical orbit of 56.4 years and encompassing the planets from Jupiter to Neptune.

Greenstone is different in that unlike his Vedic compatriot astrologers, he includes the planetoid Chiron, the three modern planets of Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, and three more bodies known by ancient Vedics which he interprets to mean the three centaurs named earlier. These, plus the traditional seven planets and the nodes amount to his "sixteen planet astrology". Sixteen is indeed a key number which even astrologer Charles Jayne in his book The Unknown Planets refers to, and may be the actual number of planetary bodies to be taken into account when studying a birth chart.

While I applaud Greenstone's inclusion of Chiron and the three modern planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, as well as the nodes Rahu and Ketu(which he himself admits are not really planets), I am not at all convinced about his choices for planet X, Y, and Z. Rather than centaurs, which bridge the orbits of the outer planets, I am inclined to believe that X(Eris?) Y and Z are all beyond Pluto. Also, unlike Greenstone Lobo and Linda Goodman to which he references, I believe X to be the primary ruler of Libra with Taurus as secondary or substitute ruler. Y is Virgo/Gemini and Z is Cancer/Leo.

Nor do I practice or propone sidereal astrology which bases its positions on the stars or constellations rather than the seasons or equinoxes. I present here, however, sign tables for his X, Y, and Z planets for your interest and study. If anything else, they will be valid for those three centaurs. Positions are in the tropical zodiac and were obtained from the Horizons(Jet Propulsion) website. Also, I recommend using whole sign astrology, which is also what the Vedics practice.

Note: If you were born on the first or last day of the dates given below you will need more precise calculations to ascertain the sign position.

Lobo's Planet X(Taurus)
2007 RH283(523620)
Tropical Positions
Lobo's Planet Y(Virgo)
1999 JV127(50002085)
Tropical Positions
Lobo's Planet Z(Leo)
2008 FC76(281371)
Tropical Positions
1930 Jan 01 to 1932 Mar 23 Cap
1930 Jan 01 to 1930 May 10 Lib
1930 Jan 01 to 1930 Jun 02 Sco
1932 Mar 23 to 1932 Jul 02 Aqu
1930 May 11 to 1930 Jul 15 Vir
1930 Jun 02 to 1930 Aug 20 Lib
1932 Jul 02 to 1932 Dec 18 Cap
1930 Jul 16 to 1940 Nov 25 Lib
1930 Aug 21 to 1937 Dec 29 Sco
1932 Dec 19 to 1936 Feb 14 Aqu
1940 Nov 26 to 1941 Apr 12 Sco
1937 Dec 30 to 1938 May 11 Sag
1936 Feb 15 to 1940 Apr 03 Pis
1941 Apr 12 to 1941 Oct 03 Lib
1938 May 11 to 1938 Nov 01 Sco
1940 Apr 04 to 1940 Nov 04 Ari
1941 Oct 03 to 1949 Feb 06 Sco
1938 Nov 02 to 1945 Jan 27 Sag
1940 Nov 04 to 1941 Jan 09 Pis
1949 Feb 07 to 1949 Mar 29 Sag
1945 Jan 28 to 1945 Jun 18 Cap
1941 Jan 10 to 1945 Jul 25 Ari
1949 Mar 29 to 1949 Nov 19 Sco
1945 Jun 18 to 1945 Nov 20 Sag
1945 Jul 26 to 1945 Aug 13 Tau
1949 Nov 19 to 1955 Jan 7 Sag
1945 Nov 21 to 1950 Jan 19 Cap
1945 Aug 13 to 1946 Apr 24 Ari
1955 Jan 08 1955 to Aug 01 Cap
1950 Jan 19 to 1953 Feb 13 Aqu
1946 Apr 24 to 1946 Dec 12 Tau
1955 Aug 01 to 1955 Oct 12 Sag
1953 Feb 14 to 1955 Apr 17 Pis
1946 Dec 12 to 1947 Feb 06 Ari
1955 Oct 12 to 1959 Jan 12 Cap
1955 Apr 18 to 1955 Nov 19 Ari
1947 Feb 7 to 1954 Jun 05 Tau
1959 Jan 13 to 1962 Feb 09 Aqu
1955 Nov 19 to 1955 Dec16 Pis
1954 Jun 6 to 1954 Dec 11 Gem
1962 Feb 09 to 1964 May 28 Pis
1955 Dec 17 to 1957 Jun 15 Ari
1954 Dec 11 to 1955 Apr 08 Tau
1964 May 28 to 1964 Aug 29 Ari
1957 Jun 16 to 1957 Oct 16 Tau
1955 Apr 09 to 1964 Jul 13 Gem
1964 Aug 29 to 1965 Feb 16 Pis
1957 Oct 16 to 1958 Mar 07 Ari
1964 Jul 14 to 1964 Dec 28 Can
1965 Feb 17 to 1967 May 26 Ari
1958 Mar 08 to 1960 May 29 Tau
1964 Dec 28 to 1965 May 19 Gem
1967 May 27 to 1967 Nov 14 Tau
1960 May 30 to 1963 Jul 03 Gem
1965 May 19 to 1973 Sep 07 Can
1967 Nov 14 to 1968 Feb 17 Ari
1963 Jul 03 to 1966 Oct 05 Can
1973 Sep 08 to 1974 Jan 01 Leo
1968 Feb 18 to 1970 Jun 17 Tau
1966 Oct 05 to 1966 Dec 11 Leo
1974 Jan 01 to 1974 Jul 06 Can
1970 Jun 18 to 1970 Dec 25 Gem
1966 Dec 11 to 1967 Jul 07 Can
1974 Jul 07 to 1980 Sep 05 Leo
1970 Dec 25 to 1971 Mar 11 Tau
1967 Jul 08 to 1971 Sep 15 Leo
1980 Sep 06 to 1981 Mar 28 Vir
1971 Mar 12 to 1973 Sep 09 Gem
1971 Sep 15 to 1972 Mar 09 Vir
1981 Mar 28 to 1981 Jun 15 Leo
1973 Sep 09 to 1973 Nov 07 Can
1972 Mar 09 to 1972 Jul 02 Leo
1981 Jun 15 to 1984 Oct 22 Vir
1973 Nov 07 to 1974 Jun 06 Gem
1973 Jul 03 to 1977 Oct 09 Vir
1984 Oct 23 to 1985 Apr 11 Lib
1974 Jun 07 1978 to Sep 09 Can
1977 Oct 10 to 1978 Apr 11 Lib
1985 Apr 11 to 1985 Jul 23 Vir
1978 Sep 09 to 1979 Jun 04 Leo
1978 Apr 11 to 1978 Aug 05 Vir
1985 Jul 24 to 1987 Nov 21 Lib
1979 Jan 04 to 1979 Jun 30 Can
1978 Aug 05 to 1985 Jan 5 Lib
1987 Nov 22 to 1988 May 24 Sco
1979 Jul 01 to 1986 Sep 06 Leo
1985 Jan 05 to 1985 Feb 26 Sco
1988 May 24 to 1988 Aug 07 Lib
1986 Sep 06 to 1987 Mar 09 Vir
1985 Feb 27 to 1985 Oct 26 Lib
1988 Aug 08 to 1990 Nov 04 Sco
1987 Mar 09 to 1987 Jul 10 Leo
1985 Oct 26 to 1986 May 28 Sco
1990 Nov 05 to 1993 Jan 14 Sag
1987 Jul 11 to 1997 Oct 13 Vir
1986 May 28 to 1986 Aug 24 Lib
1993 Jan 15 to 1993 Aug 15 Cap
1997 Oct 13 to 1998 Mar 26 Lib
1986 Aug 24 to 1994 Jan 03 Sco
1993 Aug 15 to 1993 Sep 19 Sag
1998 Mar 26 to 1998 Aug 24 Vir
1994 Jan 04 to 1994 May 03 Sag
1993 Sep 20 to 1996 Jan 20 Cap
1998 Aug 25 to 2008 Dec 30 Lib
1994 May 03 to 1994 Nov 06 Sco
1996 Jan 21 to 1999 Mar 14 Aqu
2008 Dec 31 to 2009 Mar 02 Sco
1994 Nov 06 to 2001 Feb 09 Sag
1999 Mar 15 to 1999 Sep 26 Pis
2009 Mar 02 to 2009 Oct 26 Lib
2001 Feb 10 to 2001 May 31 Cap
1999 Sep 26 to 1999 Dec 13 Aqu
2009 Oct 26 to 2010 May 24 Sco
2001 May 31 to 2001 Dec 01 Sag
1999 Dec 14 to 2003 Apr 30 Pis
2010 May 24 to 2010 Aug 29 Lib
2001 Dec02 to 2006 Feb 05 Cap
2003 May 01 to 2003 Sep 21 Ari
2010 Aug 29 to 2017 Dec 19 Sco
2006 Feb 06 to 2006 Sep 08 Aqu
2003 Sep 21 to 2004 Feb 14 Pis
2017 Dec 20 to 2018 May 27 Sag
2006 Sep 08 to 2006 Nov 02 Cap
2004 Feb 15 to 2009 May 13 Ari
2018 May 27 to 2018 Oct 15 Sco
2006 Nov 03 to 2009 Mar 08 Aqu
2009 May 14 to 2009 Nov 05 Tau
2018 Oct 16 to 2023 Feb23 Sag
2009 Mar 09 to 2011 May 19 Pis
2009 Nov 05 to 2010 Mar 08 Ari
2023 Feb 23 to 2023 May 21 Cap
2011 May 20 to 2011 Sep 13 Ari
2010 Mar 10 to 2017 Jun 20 Tau
2023 May 21 to 2023 Dec 01 Sag
2011 Sep 13 to 2012 Feb 05 Pis
2017 Jun 21 to 2017 Nov 20 Gem
2023 Dec 02 to 2027 Feb 26 Cap
2012 Feb 06 to 2014 Apr 04 Ari
2017 Nov 20 to 2018 Apr 24 Tau
2027 Feb 27 to 2027 Aug 04 Aqu
2014 Apr 04 to 2016 Jun 22 Tau
2018 Apr 25 to 2027 Jul 28 Gem
2027 Aug 04 to 2027 Nov 29 Cap
2016 jun 22 to 2016 Dec 17 Gem
2027 Jul 29 to 2027 Dec 11 Can
2027 Nov 29 to--------------------Aqu
2016 Dec 17 to 2017 Mar 16 Tau
2027 Dec 11 to 2028 Jun 02 Gem
2017 Mar 17 to 2019 Jul 24 Gem
2028 Jun 03 to---------------------Can
2019 Jul 25 to 2020 Jan 08 Can
2020 Jan 08 to 2020 Apr 25 Gem
2020 Apr 26 to 2023 Jul 25 Can
2023 Jul 26 to 2027 Oct 01 Leo
2027 Oct 01 to 2028 Feb 15 Vir
2028 Feb 15 to 2028 Jul 19 Leo
2028 Jul 20 to---------------------Vir

Where are the real X, Y and Z planets?

If Eris is X, where are Y and Z? Even further out of course. Y is likely to have a 1000+ year orbit. and my guess is it's in tropical Sagittarius. Z is much further out and may be a brown dwarf with an orbit in the many thousands of years. No real clue as to where it might be. Could it be Pickering's Q situated in early tropical Cancer as discussed by Charles A. Jayne in His book The Unknown Planets?

X as the ruler of Libra/Taurus, Y as the ruler of Virgo/Gemini, and Z as the ruler Cancer/Leo would form a natural sequence after Pluto ruler of Scorpio/Aries. Planetary orbits are not haphazard. They follow a logical astrological sequence. Sun is Leo, Moon is Cancer, Mercury is Gemini/Virgo, Venus is Taurus/Libra, Mars is Aries/Scorpio, Jupiter is Sagittarius/Pisces, Saturn is Capricorn/Aquarius, Uranus is Aquarius/Capricorn, Neptune is Pisces/Sagittarius, and so on, and it's not necessarily astronomical in nature.

Why do I include two signs per planet? Because one is the primary ruler and the other is the secondary or substitute or day/night ruler. In times when humanity degrades or viewing conditions are hindered(such as is now) we lose many of our higher spiritual or psychic functions and are unable to see the more distant planets beyond Saturn. The distant or "invisible" planets themselves still retain dual rulership as a back up should one or more of the inner planets be damaged or destroyed. Pluto, for example, discovered in 1930, had a noticeable Mars or Aries effect during the World Wars, only on a vaster or grander scale. This Mars effect can also be seen in the Pluto position of individuals. It is also possible that the orbital circuits of both planets are interchangeable so that Pluto may once have been where Mars currently is and Mars where Pluto currently is.

Earth is not a planet or globe but a plane or realm from which we observe the planetary wanderers, and the luminaries. In astrology, the Earth or Terra works via the Ascendant or Rising sign and sets up the houses. Five planets are visible to us(Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn) and the other five are invisible(Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, X(Eris?), and Y. Z is more of a sun than a planet. Here is a diagram showing the relationships between the inner visible five planets and the outer invisible five planets...

There is an unbroken sign chain link when using the double rulership scheme with centaur Chiron dividing the visible planets from the invisible. The bracketed signs are the secondary rulers. The Sun and Moon, rulers of Leo and Cancer, can go on either end when using dual rulerships. Z may replace the Moon someday as a more fitting ruler for Cancer.

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